Roger may not go into detail in-between rounds, but Floyd isn't your average Joe. At this point in his career, he's capable and aware enough about what's going on in the ring to not really need someone to help game-plan on the fly. Half the time it doesn't look like he's really paying attention to whats being said anyway.
Then we also need to realize that the type of ring savvy and skill-set that Floyd has is not natural. It is learned. He didn't just wake up one day and become what he is today, skill wise. His game has been honed and polished through repetition. Roger along with Sr. have both played a big part in shaping and molding Floyd as a fighter. They both, especially Roger, deserve a lot of credit for the end result that we see today.
One thing you said that I especially, but respectfully and totally disagree with is your comment about the effectiveness of Roger's mitt work. The repetition of this particular pad-routine which is chock full of subtleties plays a large part in how Floyd is able to make things look so effortless in the ring. At first glance it might look a little superfluous - but given a harder look, you realize that while it might seem overly flashy, that none of it just for show. There is a reason behind it all, and it's actually quite brilliant. If you notice after a punch sequence that Floyd dips, pivots and slides over while Roger shadows him. While this part of the routine is basic stuff, it makes adjusting to an opponent's footwork and sliding over to stay in front and on balance instinctive. This is exactly how Floyd works his angles and turns a fighter in his actual fights. Floyd's calm and effectiveness in the pocket is a learned trait, through heavy repetition, and then implementation of it during his sparring.
Throughout the routine, Floyd always maintains his distance and stays in range to punch, and if you look closely, you'll notice Floyd will sometimes reach out and touch Roger's shoulder, palm open, and then throw a punch directly afterwards in sequence. This, again, makes it instinctive for Floyd to constantly be aware of his distance. To add to that, during the routine, Roger constantly has Floyd catch and countering, rolling, and pulling behind the jab. This is how Floyd is able to use the pull-counter so effectively. Not many fighters even attempt a pull counter, or can even pull it off mid fight because it's not something that's natural to them. but through actually practicing it through his mitt-work, it's something Floyd is able to do purely on instinct, and it has shown to be an effective weapon in his arsenal. When Floyd stands in the pocket, you can see him read and react, and a lot of it mirrors what he does in Roger's mitt-work.
I could break it down allday, but you get the point. Roger's mitt routine is very comprehensive and highly technical. Every single part of it serves a purpose and can directly translate over to actual in-fight scenarios. That is a fact.
That rant aside, I think Roger is good for Floyd's corner when he's there because he's been the one constant in Floyd's life, especially in the gym behind the scenes. He knows him better than anyone, and just hearing his voice is probably just a sort of calming reassurance more than anything.
Roger's philosophy and training methods might not be all that great for any other fighter, but it's sure worked for Floyd. His teachings are catered to a certain style of fighting; The style that Floyd uses. It's not hard to imagine how it wouldn't be as effective with someone who's been taught something different his/her whole life. He's not one of those plug and play type trainers that would have success with a lot of guys, especially those who are already set in their ways as fighters. Floyd isn't as good as he is today just by happenstance. Roger's work with him is a major contributing factor to his success as a fighter.
1) How are you going to say Roger's pad work doesn't suit Floyd? Are you Floyd? Have you been a pro for nearly 2 decades? Are you the best pound for pound boxer in the world? Are you a future boxing hall of famer and legend?
2) Roger has been working with Floyd his whole life. Floyd and Roger know what works.
3) Floyd doesn't need a trainer the way others do. As you pointed out, Roger never told him anything and Floyd still outclassed his opponents.
4) Floyd is never in danger of losing a fight
5) His father is overly critical. That contributed to the strain in their relationship. That is why Floyd is the best, but Floyd is also critical of himself. He doesn't need to be told what to do. He's going to do it.
If he's bad trainer then why floyd trains with him???You think ur better than floyd???you think u think better than floyd?? Floyd abused his father for his uncle watch the video on youtube mayweather sr vs meaweather jr...floyd says his uncle is his trainer not his father sr......
Roger is a very good trainer. I personally am shocked he's never gotten trainer of year.
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He doesn't just train Floyd but also Steve Forbes, TIM Coleman, Joseph Agbeko, and other TMT fighters. As was stated by several other users, Floyd doesn't need much corner advice or insight. His father annoys him when he gives it. Roger is elite...but Floyd's greatness makes it hard to give Roger credit.
Mayweather is that good he only needs someone to reassure him that if he boxes, he is simply unbeatable. And I'm not entirely certain, but didn't roger start training him when floyd senior got sent to prison for drug trafficking?
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False. Floyd Jr. is undefeated, right? Regardless of Floyd's opponents, that shows you.
You don't know **** about boxing.
NO!!! he is a good COCAINE PUSHER / DEALER
He is obviously not the worst trainer of all time, I just think that for a fighter of Mayweathers Caliber he is not a good enough trainer. He does have a very extensive knowledge for the sport of boxing, but he doesnt use it enough! Whenever Mayweather goes back to his corner you can expect to hear the same phrases from Roger "keep wuppin his ath" "keep boxin his ath", he never goes into detail on what he wants Mayweather to do, for example "counter his jab with your right hand", "hes loading up with the right after he throws his jab" "stay of the ropes, dont exchange with him" like most boxing trainers would. If Floyd Mayweather was ever in danger of losing the fight, Leonard Ellerbe or Rafael Garcia would be of more help then Roger. Also Roger Mayweather is a hot head, as you saw in the Judah fight, he went inside the ring, which COULD and SHOULD have disqualified Floyd Mayweather, If I was a fighter like Mayweather who is so concerned in maintaining a perfect record I would not want a hothead like Roger in my corner. Another reason I dont think Roger is a great trainer is his unorthodox style of training Mayweather, their infamous pad workout is Roger doing most of the work and it also doesnt suit Mayweather at all. Mayweather likes to counter/potshot and move, and he should be training that, instead of standing still for the majority of the time and only performing movements a fraction of the way. Roger NEVER corrects Floyd when hes hitting the bag etc like his father does. And the last reason is that Roger does not play a role as a mentor! Luckily Floyd is very tough mentally, he knows how to cope with his nerves and stress, he knows what he has to do to win, and he has supreme confidence in himself. Look at trainer Cus D'Amato, he trained Tyson, but he also mentored him. He kept him out of trouble and encouraged Mike, and made him feel comfrotable, but once Cus died, Tyson was never the same, he needed Cus to keep him motivated, and without Cus Mike went downhill despite being physically gifted. What do you think?
