It's easy to paint Ariza as the villain in this situation, but if Roach had suspicions about what he was giving Pac like he says, he can't truly claim ignorance. He should have gotten rid of him long ago instead of looking the other way. It's interesting that it wasn't until after Pac's less than stellar performances against Marquez and Bradley that Roach finally decided to minimize his role in their camp. It's also possible that Roach knows more than he's revealing, but he's obviously not going to admit to it even if that was the case out of concern that he'd incriminate himself and Pac. I doubt Roach would have given Pac's critics ammunition with his comments if he didn't have good reason to believe Ariza was in fact doing something "shady" (his words). Remember, team Pac filed a lawsuit against Mayweather for making similar allegations.
This has been a topic of discussion for the past several days, but I'm surprised by the way many people are quick to shrug it off given the serious implications. These claims about Ariza could be dismissed if they were coming from an outside source, but again, the fact that they came from Roach himself makes them impossible to ignore.
At any rate, it's becoming increasingly apparent that ped use may very well be a widespread issue in boxing. And Pacquiao should definitely not be considered above the fray, especially in light of Roach's statements.
I don't pretend to know what really goes on behind the scenes of the sport of boxing, but I imagine its a very shady business with millions of dollars at stake and guys physically trying to hurt each other. It would not surprise me to find out Manny Pacquaio was on steroids to gain weight so he could fight in higher weight classes and make more money. I think that this is probably a standard procedure when it comes to high stakes boxing, but what really gets me is how Roach let this Ariza guy continually give Pacquaio an unknown substance while looking the other way? If any of it is true, there is no blame, it's just how the sport is and how they do things to make everyone involved more money.
Pacquiao is being tested by VADA, same testing agency by Donaire. Same as GSP, Rigo, Bradley, Ruslan, etc. http://www.vada-testing.org/
VADA is by far the best testing agency out there today, not NSAC (although NSAC is pretty good), definitely not USADA. VADA. How? for one they are independent. Meaning no one has to pay them anything for them to function properly. They don't hide sh!t too.
Makes you wonder, why USADA (the testing used for Floyd vs Mosley that was stopped 14 days before the fight) is hiding the results of the drug test. They didn't even say if both fighters passed the test OR why the testing was stopped. They just abruptly stopped it without any reason why.
Conclusion:
VADA is better than USADA. So if Pacquiao takes the test by VADA, for sure VADA will find something. If not, he's clean.
I think the reason why Ariza is being questioned about PED/s now is because Brandon Rios couldn't make the weight properly. Brandon could make the weight, but not properly so Ariza slipped in a fat burner (still considered as a PED). So it would just leave Brandon muscle and cause more weight would just slow him down some more.
BQ: I'm fed up with this all the Floyd vs Pac talk....
And it just began again. Shut up or put up, that's basically all it is. Floyd needs to either shut up or fight. Don't open and run your mouth if you ain't gonna fight. Why? cause it just rattles everyone up. There wasn't much talk about Floyd vs Pacquiao, after Manny won against Rios. Next thing you know, Floyd opens his mouth and then what happens?
Floyd vs Pac talk
Don't be on this Stick, not you. Remember when Floyd Sr. said that Floyd Jr. lose to Oscar? This were words that was said because of hard feeling to another that was taken out of context. Why is it that whenever they tried to make the fight happen, there is an obstacle being magnified? We want nothing but the fight and none of these BS.
If PED was really given to Pacquiao during his training, there will be no way to find out unless Ariza himself admit it. If it Heridia or Conte who were experts in masking PEDs who were on this, I would give more weights on the statement but an ignorant Ariza who was lucky to work on fighters who have a chance of winnings? All fighters are subject to suspicions, not just the fighters of Ariza. Too bad that because of that statement, Mikey Garcia is included too.
Nobody knows what was given to Manny during his training and I have also seen colored drinks that was given to fighters during fights. Are these PEDs? Lets stop making pictures that we tends to believed later on. They were tested before and after the fights and unless caught positive, let it be known that they were clean. If fighters who were caught but the result hidden to the public and remain clean because of the influence of other people, why tarnish the image of the fighter because of words that was taken out of context?
Man thats some deep sh*t. I think Roach's flat out hatred for Ariza has made him slip out abit too much information, he is pretty much throwing his own fighter under the bus here.
Btw bro, do you know how I can ban some mofo's account? Don't worry he's from another section, he keeps spam reporting me.
Edit:
Yeah Bro I've done that, but he then goes on to report my answers to other people's questions. He must have reported a lot of people because I receive the violations within minutes of being reported, it's pathetic. This mofo needs a taste of his own medicine and needs to be banned
bit harsh bro
ariza is a bit of a scumbag but I dont think he dabbled in peds...I dont think he cares enough whether his fighter wins or not to go around risking his career to do that behind everyones back just to make him win
he strikes me as the con artist just out to make a buck..."get him in shape with some gay exercises, if he loses it was freddy's fault he came up with the strategy" After pac-bradly and pac-marquez 4, dude was just nonchalant
I dont think hes the fanatical coach type who wants his fighter to win under all circumstances
hey, rich post the source video of the article yesterday, ask rich...
big deal, doesnt say anythin, maybe roach was suspectin ariza putting laxative in it so pac could make weight lol
well if paq didnt know then youd have to wonder how he passed those tests idk much about peds but i thinking if your gunna pass tests when your dirty you have to know so you give then fake urine or whatever it they do to pass these tests. but this changes nothing ive never said paqs not on peds we dont know mayweather could be to so could anderson silva all i know is when a guy like jmm hires guy that makes it clear or like belfort its clear hes using something i never rule it out for anybody though.
and ive never liked random drug testing and will never do it they show up at the crib while your trying to sleep and sleeps real important to a fighter
fighthype? aint mayweather own that boxing site?
am sure they would love to quote roach out of context...
http://fighthype.com/news/article15910.html
lol damn, Ariza used to give Manny homemade beverages before every training session, and then when asked about it by Freddie, Ariza would be evasive/refuse to tell Roach what he was giving Pac.
Is that some sketchy sh*t or what?
We all know Ariza is a scumbag piece of trash, so do you think it's possible that he was slipping Pac some sort of PED behind both Pac and Roach's back?
I wouldn't put it past him, that's for sure. I don't think any of us would put it past him. I hope Ariza never gets a job again, he's an assshole w/ a big head and thinks he's some sort of irreplaceable coach.
F*ck that guy, I bet his mother even wishes she aborted him.
BQ: I'm fed up with this all the Floyd vs Pac talk....
BUT considering this question and the article I just read, does it in any way make you question whether Pac was legitimately clean during his great run (even if not being aware of the juicing)?
The fact that Roach himself put it out there is significant and something to highly take note of IMO. He's basically incriminating his own fighter, but writing it off as Pac's negligence, b/c he was unaware of what he was given at the time.
What do you think of this whole thing?
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